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T O P I C R E V I E WDancing MaenadWhich would you choose?------------------~the raving one dancing in the nude~juniperbwelll, if it is Karmic Duties, would that be a choice or a given ? I believe we are born to both and the choice is how we achieve the happiness by fullfilling the duties.------------------Christian, Jew, Muslim, Shaman, Zoroastrian, stone, ground, mountain, river, each has a secret way of being with the Mystery, unique and not to be judged. RumiDancing Maenad quote:Originally posted by juniperb:welll, if it is Karmic Duties, would that be a choice or a given ? Hi, Juni! I believe they may seem as "given" but all of them were chosen, even if not consciously. However - at a conscious level - with no memory of what (and why!) you chose.. what will it be?I gather you lean more towards "learn how to love what you have" vs "have what you love"?------------------~the raving one dancing in the nude~AyeletI don't think we can be truly happy unless we fulfill our karmic duties.Vajra quote:Originally posted by juniperb: I believe we are born to both and the choice is how we achieve the happiness by fullfilling the duties.Well put! That's how I see it too. We cannot escape our karma anyway so me might as well try to have a good time while confronting it. Not always easy though. PixieJaneHappiness. Guess it's worth pointing out that I don't believe in "karmic duties" as defined by an agenda chosen by us before we're born, don't believe we chose our own parents, and things like that. To me that's just the brain trying to rationalize terrible experiences. Karma is a blind machine (like gravity) to me rather than some script we approved before coming into this life (and then there's those who shape and exploit this belief to control people, such as happens in India). And if someone (mortal or spirit) told me I had a "karmic duty" to do something then they'd better have evidence for the claim. Had a fascinating nightmare once regarding this, but I don't feel like explaining it now. Suffice to say God (in Kabbalistic form) told me I had to be somewhere bad as I'd murdered someone in a past life and I rebutted the logic very well, IMO, and successfully escaped. Yay for me. Voix_de_la_MerFrom what I understand of karma, the release of bad karma is the path to happiness. Concepts and semantics aside, I am always happi-er, when doing what needs done,and letting go of what no longer serves.T quote:Originally posted by PixieJane:Happiness. Guess it's worth pointing out that I don't believe in "karmic duties" as defined by an agenda chosen by us before we're born, don't believe we chose our own parents, and things like that. To me that's just the brain trying to rationalize terrible experiences. Karma is a blind machine (like gravity) to me rather than some script we approved before coming into this life (and then there's those who shape and exploit this belief to control people, such as happens in India). And if someone (mortal or spirit) told me I had a "karmic duty" to do something then they'd better have evidence for the claim. This is pretty much where i've been at for a long time now too.It's weird when life shatters belief systems you've held for a long time, but it's also freeing. I am happy to admit that when it comes down to it I don't really know a damn thing about anything and if i'm honest, never really did, only thought i did. I don't even want to try and figure it out anymore either. The word karma gives me a prickly irritating feeling at this point and doesn't sit well. So does the whole choosing parents, life path etc. before birth. Right now I lean toward it being a bunch of BS. And not simply because I feel burned.FireMoonHappiness.Life is too short... Karmic duties come with a whole lot of guilt and I'd like to think at a certain point we can navigate our own destiny.I'm so cappyKarma? In my country it's pet food and that's the only karma I believe in Gimme happiness.------------------I'm sooo happy! I mean, cappy.hannaramaaJesus, I've had enough "karmic duties" for one lifetime. I definitely wouldn't mind happiness even if its fleeting.FaithThere's a kind of happiness that I think it's everyone's "karmic duty" to attain. Like T, I'm not sure of anything, but I have this sneaking suspicion that we are here to be alive, cultivate energy, find our peaceful center, and maintain a connection to that core, come hell or high water. Life is for the living.EllynlvxIf you can put yourself in a good place inside, and Radiate that Happiness, you are doing your part to raise the overall Karma of everyone.Happy people Are doing their Karmic Duty.RandallHappiness.RandallIdeally, one would be happy fulfilling one's duties.
------------------~the raving one dancing in the nude~
I believe we are born to both and the choice is how we achieve the happiness by fullfilling the duties.
------------------Christian, Jew, Muslim, Shaman, Zoroastrian, stone, ground, mountain, river, each has a secret way of being with the Mystery, unique and not to be judged. Rumi
quote:Originally posted by juniperb:welll, if it is Karmic Duties, would that be a choice or a given ?
Hi, Juni!
I believe they may seem as "given" but all of them were chosen, even if not consciously.
However - at a conscious level - with no memory of what (and why!) you chose.. what will it be?
I gather you lean more towards "learn how to love what you have" vs "have what you love"?
quote:Originally posted by juniperb: I believe we are born to both and the choice is how we achieve the happiness by fullfilling the duties.
Well put! That's how I see it too. We cannot escape our karma anyway so me might as well try to have a good time while confronting it. Not always easy though.
Guess it's worth pointing out that I don't believe in "karmic duties" as defined by an agenda chosen by us before we're born, don't believe we chose our own parents, and things like that. To me that's just the brain trying to rationalize terrible experiences. Karma is a blind machine (like gravity) to me rather than some script we approved before coming into this life (and then there's those who shape and exploit this belief to control people, such as happens in India). And if someone (mortal or spirit) told me I had a "karmic duty" to do something then they'd better have evidence for the claim.
Had a fascinating nightmare once regarding this, but I don't feel like explaining it now. Suffice to say God (in Kabbalistic form) told me I had to be somewhere bad as I'd murdered someone in a past life and I rebutted the logic very well, IMO, and successfully escaped. Yay for me.
Concepts and semantics aside, I am always happi-er, when doing what needs done,and letting go of what no longer serves.
quote:Originally posted by PixieJane:Happiness. Guess it's worth pointing out that I don't believe in "karmic duties" as defined by an agenda chosen by us before we're born, don't believe we chose our own parents, and things like that. To me that's just the brain trying to rationalize terrible experiences. Karma is a blind machine (like gravity) to me rather than some script we approved before coming into this life (and then there's those who shape and exploit this belief to control people, such as happens in India). And if someone (mortal or spirit) told me I had a "karmic duty" to do something then they'd better have evidence for the claim.
This is pretty much where i've been at for a long time now too.
It's weird when life shatters belief systems you've held for a long time, but it's also freeing. I am happy to admit that when it comes down to it I don't really know a damn thing about anything and if i'm honest, never really did, only thought i did. I don't even want to try and figure it out anymore either.
The word karma gives me a prickly irritating feeling at this point and doesn't sit well. So does the whole choosing parents, life path etc. before birth. Right now I lean toward it being a bunch of BS. And not simply because I feel burned.
Life is too short... Karmic duties come with a whole lot of guilt and I'd like to think at a certain point we can navigate our own destiny.
------------------I'm sooo happy! I mean, cappy.
Like T, I'm not sure of anything, but I have this sneaking suspicion that we are here to be alive, cultivate energy, find our peaceful center, and maintain a connection to that core, come hell or high water. Life is for the living.
Happy people Are doing their Karmic Duty.
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